Edited

List of Tengen back-label variations ('with/without manufactured by Tengen' line):

After Burner - with
After Burner - without (no code)
Alien Syndrome - with
Alien Syndrome - without (no code)
Alien Syndrome - without (PXR1)
Fantasy Zone - without (no code)
Gauntlet - with
Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom - with
Klax - without (no code)
Klax - without (OVR1)
Klax - without (PLR1)
Ms. Pac-Man - without (OORZ)
Ms. Pac-Man - without (PPRZ)
Ms. Pac-Man - without (R2RZ)
Pac-Man - with
Pac-Man - without (no code)
Pac-Man - without (SNRZ)
Pac-Mania - without (OX21)
Pac-Mania - without (PJR1)
Pac-Mania - without (PMR1) x2
Pac-Mania - without (QXRL)
RBI Baseball - with
RBI Baseball - without (no code)
RBI Baseball - without (09RZ)
RBI Baseball - without (RXR7)
RBI Baseball - without (SURZ)
RBI Baseball - without (T4RZ)
RBI Baseball - without (ZSRZ)
RBI Baseball 2 - without (no code)
RBI Baseball 2 - without (P2RI)
RBI Baseball 2 - without (PVR1)
RBI Baseball 2 - without (QXR1)
RBI Baseball 3 - without (01RZ) x2
RBI Baseball 3 - without (QXRZ)
RBI Baseball 3 - without (RNRZ)
RBI Baseball 3 - without (RORZ)
RBI Baseball 3 - without (S8RZ)
Road Runner - with
Road Runner - without (0PR1)
Road Runner - without (XNRZ...not 100% on the N)
Rolling Thunder - with
Rolling Thunder - without (no code)
Rolling Thunder - without (YBRZ) x2
Shinobi - with
Shinobi - without (no code)
Skull & Crossbones - without (no code)
Skull & Crossbones - without (PZRL?)
Skull & Crossbones - without (RZR1)
Super Sprint - with
Tetris - with
Toobin' - with
Toobin' - without (no code)
Vindicators - with
Vindicators - without (no code)
Vindicators - without (YZRZ)
Vindicators - without (Z5RZ)

There are actually 3 Tengen back labels, not 2.
[glb]~~NGD[/glb]

wrote on 01. Mar 2006 at 18:34:

There are actually 3 Tengen back labels, not 2. [glb]~~NGD[/glb]

Even better ;)  Thanks for the info :)

What does the third one look like?

One has manufactured by Tengen in the last line,one don't.   Others have the same stampings as the Akklaim carts (4 letters instead of two from nintendo labels)  right after the word "solvents".  It is very hard to see, but a variant none the less.
[glb]~~NGD[/glb]

wrote on 01. Mar 2006 at 19:27:

One has manufactured by Tengen in the last line,one don't.   Others have the same stampings as the Akklaim carts (4 letters instead of two from nintendo labels)  right after the word "solvents".  It is very hard to see, but a variant none the less. [glb]~~NGD[/glb]

Ahh, I saw those, didn't really think of it as a variant, but you're right, technically it is a variant ;)  Do you know if all the stamped numbers/letters match for a particular game?  Or is it something like a serial/batch number?  Thanks in advance :)

I don't know on that man.  I just found out about this myself a few days ago.  Let me know if you can track down any information.  :P
[glb]~~NGD[/glb]

wrote on 01. Mar 2006 at 19:52:

I don't know on that man.  I just found out about this myself a few days ago.  Let me know if you can track down any information.  :P [glb]~~NGD[/glb]

Sure thing :)  I'll note down the stampings that I have later on and post them here.

The stamped numbers variation is subtle.  Nice find.

Here's what I have recorded in my collection.  I'll check them again when I get home.


I have both for RBI Baseball


I have the following ones with "Manufactured by Tengen" line:
After Burner
Alien Syndrome
Gauntlet
Pac-Man
Rolling Thunder
Super Sprint
Toobin'


I have the following without  the "Manufactured by Tengen" line:
Fantasy Zone
Klax
Ms. Pac-Man
Pac-Man
Pac-Mania
R.B.I Baseball 2
R.B.I Baseball 3
Road Runner
Shinobi
Skull & Crossbones
Vindicators


I dont own Tetris yet :(


Al

I have the following back-labels (with/without manufactued message):

After Burner - with
Fantasy Zone - without (no stamp)
Pac-Man - without (no stamp)
Pac-Mania - without (stamped PJR1)
RBI Baseball 1 - with
Road Runner - with
Road Runner - without (stamped XNRZ...not 100% on the N)
Rolling Thunder - with
Shinobi - without (no stamp)
Vindicators - with

Thanks for listing yours, albailey - I'll merge our lists together and edit the first post.  Could you also check yours for stamped digits?

I only have 5 Tengen carts so I might as well help out too:

Skull & Crossbones - without MBT, but with stamp (PZRL?)
Rolling Thunder - without

Super Sprint - with
Windicators - with
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom - with

Thanks marcus, I added them to the list in the first post :)  I assume that for Rolling Thunder without the MBT, there is no stamp either?

Thanks

Exactly. Only Skull & Crossbones had a stamp.

I will try and get the info from my games here in a few hours and post it for you to add as well.
[glb]~~NGD[/glb]

wrote on 01. Mar 2006 at 22:30:

I will try and get the info from my games here in a few hours and post it for you to add as well. [glb]~~NGD[/glb]

Sounds good man, thanks!  

Here we go, long list.  I think this should be every Tengen game.  I might have missed one though.

After Burner--with
Alien Syndrome--with
Fantasy Zone--without
Gauntlet--with
Indiana Jones TOD--with
Klax--without
Ms. Pacman--without--R2RZ
Pac-man--with
Pac-Mania--without--OX21
RBI Baseball--without--RXR7
RBI Baseball 2--without
RBI Baseball 3--without--RORZ
Road Runner--with
Rolling Thunder--without--YBRZ
Shinobi--with
Skull & Crossbones--without
Super Sprint--with
Tetris--with
Toobin--without
Vindicators--with
The codes are hard as hell to read, but I think I got them right.  Add them to the top list Speedy. ;D
[glb]~~NGD[/glb]

wrote on 01. Mar 2006 at 23:01:

Here we go, long list.  I think this should be every Tengen game.  I might have missed one though. After Burner--with Alien Syndrome--with Fantasy Zone--without Gauntlet--with Indiana Jones TOD--with Klax--without Ms. Pacman--without--R2RZ Pac-man--with Pac-Mania--without--OX21 RBI Baseball--without--RXR7 RBI Baseball 2--without RBI Baseball 3--without--RORZ Road Runner--with Rolling Thunder--without--YBRZ Shinobi--with Skull & Crossbones--without Super Sprint--with Tetris--with Toobin--without Vindicators--with The codes are hard as hell to read, but I think I got them right.  Add them to the top list Speedy. ;D [glb]~~NGD[/glb]

Nice list!  I've added it to the first post - thanks :)

i dont think anyone has mentioned this yet, but there is a version of unlicensed tengen pacman that was a 10th anniversay edition re-release that did not have a paper label on the back, but instead had the normal info embossed on the back. very similar to some acclaim, hi-tech, etc. games.  so you can add that to the list.

I probably should have just edited my first post, oh well.
Heres what I have after goign through the collection and my duplicates.

After Burner -with MBT
Alien Syndrome - with MBT
Fantasy Zone - without MBT (no code)
Gauntlet - with MBT
Indiana Jones and TOD- with MBT
Klax - without MBT (code=PLR1)
Klax - without MBT (no code)
Ms Pac Man - without MBT (code=PPRZ)
Pac Man - with MBT
Pac-Mania -without MBT (code=PMR1)
RBI Baseball (I have all 3) - with MBT
RBI Baseball - without MBT (no code)
RBI Baseball - without MBT (code=T4RZ)
RBI Baseball 2 - without MBT (no code)
RBI Baseball 3 - without MBT (code=01RZ)
Road Runner - without MBT (code =0PR1)
Rolling Thunder - with MBT
Shinobi -without MBT (no code)
Skull & Crossbones -without MBT (no code)
Super Sprint - with MBT
Toobin - with MBT
Vindicators - without MBT (no code)

Al

MBT?

wrote on 02. Mar 2006 at 03:07:

i dont think anyone has mentioned this yet, but there is a version of unlicensed tengen pacman that was a 10th anniversay edition re-release that did not have a paper label on the back, but instead had the normal info embossed on the back. very similar to some acclaim, hi-tech, etc. games.  so you can add that to the list.

Do you have a scan/pic of this?  I knew of the 10th anniversary edition, but didn't know the back of the cart was different.  Thanks for the info :)


wrote on 02. Mar 2006 at 09:39:

MBT?

'Manufactued by Tengen' ;)

albailey, thanks for the updated list, I'll add them to the first post later today, gotta go somewhere right now.  

Cool thread -- I'll have to look when I get home and see if I can add to the list. So is the Acclaim back-label list next? :-)

Anton, I beleive this is the one that came with the alternate box art, but I'm not 100% sure. That would make sense though, and I've always wondered why there was a re-release of Pac-Man in a different box. Unfortunately, I don't have that box version, but I'll check my cart tonight.

-Dain

I thought you would enjoy this thread Dain  :P


Quote:

So is the Acclaim back-label list next? [Smiley]

Sure why not, this sort of info needs to be documented.  I am in.  
[glb]~~NGD[/glb]

I would also be interested in the Akklaims, but I dont know how we can guarantee authenticity which makes collecting for them more difficult.

After all, you can swap the backs of Akklaim carts,  you cant swap Tengens (without damaging the label).

I'm of the same oppinion about non security 3-screw carts.  But maybe there is a PCB difference or something.

Al

I agree that it is difficult to collect these, which is why I personally do not collect back label variations (unless they're major). I do, however, want to document which ones exist.

If you see the other thread about the back labels stuff I wrote, one thing I meant to add was that by using my pseudo guide to those labels, you can easily detect a game whose cart back was replaced. I received a box of 20 games the other day and I went through them -- it was funny because I got a M.U.S.C.L.E. in there that had a Rev-A back label, but it was _clearly_ replaced. Knowing the different types and rough timeframe makes finding these replacements easier.

-Dain

wrote on 02. Mar 2006 at 03:07:

I probably should have just edited my first post, oh well. Heres what I have after goign through the collection and my duplicates. After Burner -with MBT Alien Syndrome - with MBT Fantasy Zone - without MBT (no code) Gauntlet - with MBT Indiana Jones and TOD- with MBT Klax - without MBT (code=PLR1) Klax - without MBT (no code) Ms Pac Man - without MBT (code=PPRZ) Pac Man - with MBT Pac-Mania -without MBT (code=PMR1) RBI Baseball (I have all 3) - with MBT RBI Baseball - without MBT (no code) RBI Baseball - without MBT (code=T4RZ) RBI Baseball 2 - without MBT (no code) RBI Baseball 3 - without MBT (code=01RZ) Road Runner - without MBT (code =0PR1) Rolling Thunder - with MBT Shinobi -without MBT (no code) Skull & Crossbones -without MBT (no code) Super Sprint - with MBT Toobin - with MBT Vindicators - without MBT (no code) Al

Added :)

I just checked mine, and here are 3 more to add:

Alien Syndrome - without (no code)
RBI Baseball - with (09RZ)
RBI Baseball 3 - without (QXORZ)

-Dain

wrote on 03. Mar 2006 at 00:59:

I just checked mine, and here are 3 more to add: Alien Syndrome - without (no code) RBI Baseball - with (09RZ) RBI Baseball 3 - without (QXORZ) -Dain

Thanks Dain, I've added them to the list.  Are you sure that the RBI Baseball with the code is with the MBT text, though?  That would be the first one with the text to have a code stamped, if so!  Also, your RBI 3 code is the first with 5 digits.  :)

wrote on 02. Mar 2006 at 14:38:

I would also be interested in the Akklaims, but I dont know how we can guarantee authenticity which makes collecting for them more difficult. After all, you can swap the backs of Akklaim carts,  you cant swap Tengens (without damaging the label). I'm of the same oppinion about non security 3-screw carts.  But maybe there is a PCB difference or something. Al

That made me laugh because I just may have tainted two snes games.  I sold my backup secret of mana, and decided to open up both manas before shipping.  They had different circuit boards!  I had fun examining both of them and then went to close them up.  one of the backs had a 01 imprinted on the sticker and one had a 33 imprinted.  I had no idea which circuit board went with which cartridge so i guessed.  Someday game historians will ponder the secret of mana mismatch...  :)

Oh crap, I wasn't paying attention when I did this! My GF was hounding me to leave, and I was trying to get this up quickly.

Here's what I have after re-checking this morning (unpressured :-) The RBI 1 does NOT have the MBT code, and RBI 3 has a 4-character code:

Alien Syndrome - without MBT (no code)
RBI Baseball - without MBT (09RZ)
RBI Baseball 3 - without (QXRZ)  

Sorry about the confusion! :-)

-Dain

No prob man, I've edited the first post :)

So, I browsed my Tengen-games and the only one that is not on the list is my copy of Pac-Man. It has no MBT-line but it has the code SNRZ.

wrote on 04. Mar 2006 at 14:26:

So, I browsed my Tengen-games and the only one that is not on the list is my copy of Pac-Man. It has no MBT-line but it has the code SNRZ.

Added, thanks!

All I have from my collection, besides what you already have is:
RBI Baseball 2: Without MBT code PVR1
RBI Baseball 3: Without MBT code S8RZ

wrote on 05. Mar 2006 at 03:06:

All I have from my collection, besides what you already have is: RBI Baseball 2: Without MBT code PVR1 RBI Baseball 3: Without MBT code S8RZ

Added :)

Ok..here are my additions to the list.

After Burner - without
Alien Syndrom - without PXR1
Ms. Pac Man - without OORZ
Pac-Mania - without QXRL
RBI Baseball 2 - without QXR1
Skull & Crossbones - without RZR1

wrote on 05. Mar 2006 at 19:36:

Ok..here are my additions to the list. After Burner - without Alien Syndrom - without PXR1 Ms. Pac Man - without OORZ Pac-Mania - without QXRL RBI Baseball 2 - without QXR1 Skull & Crossbones - without RZR1

Thanks, I've added them to the list :)

Ah NGD, I see you must have been talking with "cpumaster" some more :)

Here are the Tengen cart's I have with the stamping:
Klax - OVR1
Rolling Thunder - YBRZ
Pac-Mania - PMR1
RBI Baseball 3 - RNRZ

I have been emailing with "cpumaster" for a few weeks now.  He sure knows his NES variants.  He has provided me with some great info, and I hope I have helped him out a little along the way as well. ;)
[glb]~~NGD[/glb]

wrote on 05. Mar 2006 at 22:24:

Ah NGD, I see you must have been talking with "cpumaster" some more :) Here are the Tengen cart's I have with the stamping: Klax - OVR1 Rolling Thunder - YBRZ Pac-Mania - PMR1 RBI Baseball 3 - RNRZ

Thanks, I've added them.  There have now been two copies of Rolling Thunder and RBI Baseball 3 mentioned with those stampings on the back labels, so the codes are definitely not unique. :)

Just found out about a Vindicators--without--YZRZ
[glb]~~NGD[/glb]

wrote on 07. Mar 2006 at 18:57:

Just found out about a Vindicators--without--YZRZ [glb]~~NGD[/glb]

Added it in there, thanks :)

Updated list, found another RBI Baseball 3 - without (01RZ)

Added RBI Baseball - without (SURZ)

Alien Syndrome- No code, Without
Gauntlet-No code, MBT
RBI Baseball-ZSRZ, Without
RBI Baseball 2-P2RI, Without
Road Runner-No code, Without
Rolling Thunder-no code, MBT
Vindicators-Z5RZ, Without

Notice: my only two Tengen black carts has no code but have MBT which is odd because rest of the carts I have has code also without MBT. Interesting note, RBI Baseball and Vindicators has almost same exact codes except both are ZSRZ, and Z5RZ.

motorexskygtr wrote on 18. May 2006 at 05:16:

Alien Syndrome- No code, Without Gauntlet-No code, MBT RBI Baseball-ZSRZ, Without RBI Baseball 2-P2RI, Without Road Runner-No code, Without Rolling Thunder-no code, MBT Vindicators-Z5RZ, Without Notice: my only two Tengen black carts has no code but have MBT which is odd because rest of the carts I have has code also without MBT. Interesting note, RBI Baseball and Vindicators has almost same exact codes except both are ZSRZ, and Z5RZ.

Thanks for your additions, I've added all except for Road Runner-No code, Without, since you said that all your carts without MBT do have codes.  

You are welcome, Speedy_NES.  :)

Check this out:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Speedy_NES/tengenrbi.jpg

Got it from this thread:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70886&start=25

Pretty cool I think...anybody else ever see a Tengen cart with a back like that?

I PM'd that very thread to NGD earlier this morning wondering what his thoughts were on it. At first I thought the label was just removed but now I notice that it's actually imprinted on the back of the cart. Very interesting.

Yeah, RBI Baseball 3 was the last if not the 2nd to last game released by them (in 1991 together with Pac-Mania), so I assume that they planned to save on production costs since this way they wouldn't have to print those backlabels anymore.  Maybe there's also some Pac-Mania copies around with a back like that.

Very interesting.  We must look more into this.  I am going on a search for this.....
~~NGD

My Pacmania has the label...actually the label doesn't even have the "Manufactured by Tengen" line just the Made in the USA. Doesn't that mean it's one of the older labels?
By the way, it's stamped PAR1.