Who has a complete or near complete collection, NTSC format. What were the hardest games for you to find? Did you pay alot for them.

Id say the Panesian titles. I was thinking about SE, but its been "alot" of auctions with it lately. Still pricey tho.

Myriad is hands down the hardest title to find.  Huge Insect with the early color boxes is about on the same level.  You won't find a Myraid for less than 500 bucks unless you are extremely lucky.  The Panesians and SE have both been bringing crazy amounts lately, no way in hell I would pay over 600 each for them, and an many causes more than that.
~~NGD

as far as cost wise stadium events overall is the game that averaged out over years has brought the most. at times it has sold for 8 to 900 dollars loose.recently the price has been 500 or over

the myriad has been selling for a lot lately but has sold for under 300 dollars a lot until recently

caltron has been going for 250 and under lately in the past it has sold for close to 4 to 500 dollars.

cheetahmen 2 a few years ago went for under 200 dollars many times

Prices all depend on whos wanting the game at the time or who has the money to spend at the time..in 6 months those serious about grabbing one of the rarer carts have already bought the cart  the price will come down.

The pananesians had come way down in price until recently.

all the games listed above are rare and dont come up often but there are a good many games that dont sell for close to what these games do but hardly ever show up

Chubby cherub box is very very rare ,Dain won the last one(outbid me :-[
and one hasnt shown up since.Ive seen at least 5 to 10 of the games listed above compared to chubby cherub box.

sqoon box is another that you may see once or twice a year

other boxes that are hard to find
treasure master
challenge of the dragon
menace beach
sword master
james bond jr
little samson
bonks adventure
best of the best
pro sports hockey

race america instruction manual is almost no existant took me forever to track it down.

as far as carts there are a few that dont show up a lot but enough there not to rare
menace beach
secret scout
sunday funday
sqoon
pro sports hockey
waynes world
wacky races

i have been looking for just a cowboy kid manual for over a year so it never shows up by itself

but everything i posted isnt taking all the BINs that may have been sold

rare is kind of hard to determin you never know just how many games were made and of the ones made how many got broke ,thrown away,etc and how many are sitting in homes,warehouses...only way you could say for sure would be if someone was able to go thru all the companies records and find out how many games were produced but thats probally impossible

plus a lot of times something very rare doesn't always fetch a ton of money.  Most people don't know how hard it is to find a Cherub CIB or a Sqoon CIB.  Take Dain's licensed asian version Mahjong, that game wasn't even known to exist until he bought it off ebay a few months back.  It is ungodly rare, but most people wouldn't offer him more than 20 bucks for it, when it is probably actually worth several hundred cause it is the only known copy to exist.  I have looked all over the place for info on it, and I can't find a damn thing.  I still think you should just give me Mahjong Dain, you don't need it :P  Huge Insect is the same way really.  It doesn't bring very high prices and by actually rarity, it is one of the rarest games around.  Less than 100 copies (around 75ish) exist, and it rarely sales for over 100 bucks.  Rarity is determined by what people pay.  SE and the Panesians really aren't that rare to bring so much money, they have just been over emphasized.  If you look on egay, one of them is pretty much always on.  Like wrldstrman said, how many CIB Sqoon's are on ebay each year, 2-3.  There are at least 20 Panesians that change hands each year.
~~NGD

I know the Chubby Cherub box so hard to find, but why?  Shouldn't it be just a little harder to find than the cart, like most games?  Was it ever sold without the box or something?

It was produced in pretty low numbers for one, and only had one production run.  Most of the early NES games had several production runs, so the likely hood of finding a box was increased.  Same reason the DK Math box is so hard to find.  
~~NGD

I wouldnt count Huge Insect because it was never sold and its not really a USA game. Is Race America manual really that hard to find? This is one of the few USA manuals i have hehe.

People always count Cheetahmen II, so why not Huge Insect.  Not like it is a pirate game or anything.  CMII wasn't released or sold either until the NOS of it was found and the sold off slowly.  I count the Sachens as part of a US becuse some of them were indeed sold in the US.  I remember seeing Honey Peach, Poker III and one other title at a local rental store here in Knoxville when I was little.  They were on the top shelf for adults though.  So if those title made it over in the late 80's early 90's it stands to reason that a few of the others did as well.  IMO you can't count CMII as a set if you don't count Huge Insect.
~~NGD

But every Sachen game wasnt imported? They were not ment for the US market primary, CM2 was. But it is kinda strange ye, if you count CM2 you might as well count all unreleased protos hehe. CM2 was never finished either.

Me (and everyone else i know) dont count  the Color Dreams games part of  the PAL collection eventho they were imported and sold here.

True enough man.  I just like to include Sachen games cause I have them all and think they are pretty cool.  
~~NGD

Indeed. Part or not, still very cool to have :)

The reason why games like SE, the Panesians, etc are so expensive is because new collectors are still reference Mike Etler's list as the de-facto standard. For obvious reasons, the list is great, but extremely outdated. If a new list were to surface (ahem, NGD), and received wide acceptance, then people would soon realize the truly rare games and begin bidding them up.

So, as it stands, now is a really good time to acquire any of the rare games that aren't on Etler's list. Once the cat is out of the bag, prices are going to rise for lesser-known titles.

As for rare boxes, there's one other box that I think trumps most boxes: Family Fun Fitness Athletic World. I got mine from Qixmaster here a few months back, but that one is much rarer than Chubby Cherub and Sqoon combined. I've only seen 2 ever for sale on ebay over the last 6-7 years.

-Dain

Dain wrote on 04. Aug 2006 at 21:50:

As for rare boxes, there's one other box that I think trumps most boxes: Family Fun Fitness Athletic World. I got mine from Qixmaster here a few months back, but that one is much rarer than Chubby Cherub and Sqoon combined. I've only seen 2 ever for sale on ebay over the last 6-7 years. -Dain

Serious? I swear ive seen this game sealed for like $30.

EDIT: Found one for sale on Ebay now. There are also 1 complete and 1 boxed there right now :)

That's not the one I'm talking about -- notice how the box doesn't say Family Fun Fitness? Also, the first version is in an all-white box. The FFF Athletic World box has a hang-tab as well. I'm guessing that most people don't know what I'm talking about, but that's understandable because they're that rare! :-)

-Dain

Hehe im not into USA games so how should i know? ;)
Do you have a picture of it?

jajaja wrote on 05. Aug 2006 at 01:13:

Hehe im not into USA games so how should i know? ;)

LOL, well I'm into PAL games, so you should be into USA games!!! :-)

Anyway, here are the photos:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/Giskard2/0506b282.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/Giskard2/0fbbb757.jpg

The one on the left is the rarer of the two, the one on the right is sealed.

-Dain

Dain wrote on 05. Aug 2006 at 11:05:

jajaja wrote on 05. Aug 2006 at 01:13: Hehe im not into USA games so how should i know? ;) LOL, well I'm into PAL games, so you should be into USA games!!! :-)

Haha ;)
Tnx for the pics. I kinda imagined the box would look like that. Was it sold seperatly or bundled?

still jealous of that...

I think the rare one actually looks much better than the other.  Wonder why they changed it.  Man do I dread having to find this.
~~NGD

That left box looks nice, I remember Qixmaster having it for sale ;)  

I'm sure that you all know this, but there's also a third AW box, the new version with round seal ;)  It's even a different type of box as it's not based on recycled paper and it can be opened on both sides instead of just the top.

I think the one you're talking about is actually the second version -- the round seal came before the white oval seal. I don't have the box for that version, and I was unaware that it opened on the sides -- I'd love to see a picture of this.

-Dain

Yeah, I agree that it's the second version, I just meant that it's a third variant ;)

Here are scans of the front and back including the flaps:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Speedy_NES/AthleticWorld-variation1-Box-Front.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Speedy_NES/AthleticWorld-variation1-Box-Back.jpg

Ah, ok -- I know now what you're talking about. For some stupid reason, I thought you meant the sides of the boxes opened up (left and right)! I was thinking to myself, "Hmm.. don't think I've seen that one yet!".

Thanks for the pics -- I checked my other CIB copy and I still need that one, so I'll add it to my "gotta get eventually" list :-)

-Dain

Is this 2nd release rare or worth anything?

Not really -- the 2nd and 3rd releases are very common.

-Dain

what is the hardest pal nes game too find ? Rodland or mr Gimmick

another?

i would say the rodland, but gimmick is somewhat hard to find

I'd probably say Snowboard Challenge (Spain) or Pipemania (Australia).

-Dain

I have Rodland compleet with box no manual wat is it worth?

And how many people have rodland? :-?

im pretty sure there is a handful of peeps with a rodland. I still yet to get my hands on one ;D

Snow board challenge is rare but not as rare as you think. There are some spanish games wich are harder to find like defenders of dynatron city or Aladdin or the lion king (el rey leon). I don't know anyone from spain who owns the spanish version. But perhaps i shouldn't be talking about the spanish market because it's "special".
Another pal thing hard to find is the box of Nintendo world cup+ tetris + SMB. 12 years ago i could have bought a copy of it, but when i went to buy it, it had already been sold  :'(

Hardest NTSC game to find is Myriad. Hardest PAL game is probably one of the HES games. Other than that, I would say Devil World. Hardest complete game to find is NTSC Stadium Events. For PAL it's probably either Devil World or Rodland.

And I agree with Dain. That version of Athletic World is extremely tough to find. I've been looking for one since qixmaster sold his and have not seen one for sale anywhere. Dain has got his hands on a very rare gaming piece :)

I don't think that devil world or rodland are so hard to find boxed, not as hard to find as the boxed version of that 3in1 i've said before (tetris+smb+nintendo world cup)

http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3en1trasera2hm5wt.jpg

piteta wrote on 12. Aug 2006 at 23:30:

I don't think that devil world or rodland are so hard to find boxed, not as hard to find as the boxed version of that 3in1 i've said before (tetris+smb+nintendo world cup) http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3en1trasera2hm5wt.jpg

The 3-in-1 box is indeed incredible hard to find, but belive me, Rodland box is also insane hard to find. It might be "easier" to find it if you live in Spain or Italy (if you want PAL-A hehe :P), but if not, the only source you have is basicly Ebay. If you're lucky you might know some Spanish or Italian collector, but this doesnt make things any easier actually.

About the Devil World box, it is more doable tha 3-in-1 and Rodland for sure, but i hardly turns up around here, unfortunatly :\

piteta wrote on 12. Aug 2006 at 14:08:

Snow board challenge is rare but not as rare as you think.

I've only seen two copies ever, so I'm inclined to think that my thinking is pretty accurate, whereas I've owned 3 Rodlands in the last year alone, and 2 Devil Worlds (I have an extra if anyone wants to buy it). Granted, ebay is really the only way to obtain many of these games for most of us, so using that as a rarity gauge isn't too unreasonable.

The box and manual for Rodland and Devil World are incredibly hard to find. The 3-in-1 has shown up at least twice this year, complete, on ebay Spain. I realize it's rare, but I don't think it's nearly rare as you think :-)

-Dain

personally, I don't think you can use any one method of finding games to justify a game as being 'the rarest'. I've been collecting for various systems for years, and I've found 'rare' games on ebay, in games shops, car boot sales, charity shops, been given by friends, from forums etc. etc. To me - calling a game the rarest when you have a select few that are very rare is kinda dumb - in my experience what tends to happen is a game that's thought to be ultra-rare goes on ebay for example and is bid up to a high level, then others who see that, have the game and didn't realise how 'rare' it was take note and usually within a week 3 or 4 come out of the woodwork either on ebay or on forums, with people trying to cash in. It all goes in cycles coz then you might not see that game mentioned as the rarest for a while, and the same happens to another one of the games in the group. I've seen it sooo many times for sooo many systems! To say any one game is the 'rarest' - unless it is CLEARLY the rarest by a long way - is a bit of a pointless argument. Even Myriad has been mentioned as being purchased by buyers 2 or 3 times in the last 6 weeks or so!

Dain wrote on 13. Aug 2006 at 05:37:

I've only seen two copies ever, so I'm inclined to think that my thinking is pretty accurate, whereas I've owned 3 Rodlands in the last year alone, and 2 Devil Worlds (I have an extra if anyone wants to buy it). Granted, ebay is really the only way to obtain many of these games for most of us, so using that as a rarity gauge isn't too unreasonable.

It's true that snowboard challenge hasn't appeared many times at ebay (i've never seen it), but i've heard of (spanish) people who have found it at flea markets and 2nd hand shops.
If i said that is because i forgot that many of you get those pal exclusives from ebay unlike me that i prefer to buy/look for those games at the flea markets because at those places there aren't nes collectors who are willing to pay a lot of money for them. I got my two rodland copies from there and i'm not the only spanish collector who has found his copy at those places.



Dain wrote on 13. Aug 2006 at 05:37:

The 3-in-1 has shown up at least twice this year, complete, on ebay Spain. I realize it's rare, but I don't think it's nearly rare as you think :-) -Dain

really? it happens always the same: when you look "desesperately" for something you can't find it and when you stop looking for it, then you find it.

Yeah, I agree with both of you guys -- it's hard to truly gauge how rare some of these games are, especially the Spanish titles, simply because there are few means for people outside of Spain to obtain them other than ebay. I wish I had known the 3-in-1 was hard to find -- the first time I saw it, I said to myself, "Wow, that's pretty cool! I wonder how many other Spanish variations exist?!?" Then I saw the Spanish version of Willow and Goal! 2, both totally different labels than other regions. But it was interesting to me because I've been "patroling" PAL games for years and hadn't seen those variations yet. I think it's only now that we're seeing them (people outside of Spain) because more Spanish sellers are arriving on ebay.

Let's just say that the ones mentioned are all pretty "uncommon" -- if you live in Spain, any of them are going to be easier to obtain of course.

-Dain

piteta wrote on 12. Aug 2006 at 14:08:

Snow board challenge is rare but not as rare as you think. There are some spanish games wich are harder to find like defenders of dynatron city or Aladdin or the lion king (el rey leon). I don't know anyone from spain who owns the spanish version. But perhaps i shouldn't be talking about the spanish market because it's "special". Another pal thing hard to find is the box of Nintendo world cup+ tetris + SMB. 12 years ago i could have bought a copy of it, but when i went to buy it, it had already been sold  :'(

Talk about it because it is special. It surprises me to hear which games were released there.

I agree completely, and I'm really glad there are people here from that area to talk about it. It's amazing to me that after having collected for as long as I have, that I still see new items from time to time. The Spanish and Hong Kong markets have been the ones that seem to keep surprising me -- new games keep popping up that I'd never seen before, such as Mah-jong and the Spanish variations I mentioned.

-Dain

Quote:

I got my two rodland copies from there and i'm not the only spanish collector who has found his copy at those places.

wanna sale one and hook a brother up??
~~NGD

There are no proof (afaik) that defenders of dynatron city PAL really excist. A friend said he read an preview about the game in a magazine, but i have never seen or heard of anyone who owns a copy. Robocod for NES was also previewed in a magazine, but it was never released. Hell, the magazine even mentioned the retail price for the game :)

Not all rodlands are in Spain!

I live in Holland and i have a rodland with box no manual :'(

I bought it at a flea market in my own town,a small Dutch farm town!

I bought 12 boxed games in a box fore 15 euro at the flea market,and the guy ho soled it sead: Some off those games are not Dutch i bought them on vacation!

At that time i did not now what i bought until a jear a go when i started collecting seriously and read about it.

So it's a long shot but you can find games like did out of Spain.

If only i had the manual :'(  but i think the guy trew it away because he cudent read it!

Ye thats true. Im pretty sure Holland imported the game from Spain.

EDIT: Fixed missing word hehe.

>:(  MY STORY IS TRUE!

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9932/rodlandlr2.jpg

i have a extra copy of one rodland pal b cart, i am willing to sell it but i prefer trading, so let me know if you want it guys... thanks :)

Dutch nes gamer wrote on 13. Aug 2006 at 15:16:

>:(  MY STORY IS TRUE!

No one said it was false so calm down :P Its well known that alot of spanish Rodland copies where sold in Holland. They did not make a own version with HOL code and dutch manual. It was normal to import games at the end of the NES era. Bergsala did import like 10 games from Spain that was sold in Scandinavia. France also imported some games from Spain and Austria.

kungfukid wrote on 13. Aug 2006 at 10:58:

personally, I don't think you can use any one method of finding games to justify a game as being 'the rarest'. ....

I'haven't quoted everything you say, but you're right. Nowadays all collectors (or most of us) use ebay as reference to say wheter a game is rare or not, when we shouldn't do it because the true rarity is determined by things like how many games were released and how many are in hands of people who would sell them. But we don't and games wich perhaps are not rare are sold as if they were gold.

I'll try to explain why i think the spanish market is so special.

The main reason why i think its special its because there's a lot of missinformation about it. I don't know anyone from Spain who is sure if certain games were released or not here. This is due to the bad job that SPACO and the other companies which sold nes games did while they sold nes games in Spain, because if they had done it the way it was meant i'm sure that the magazines would have reviewed some games i've seen for sale in spain like tmnt tournament fighters or darkwing duck (i know those copies were for the spanish market because they had a sticker wich said "spanish instruction booklet inside") wich were directly imported from germany.
This problem of missinformation becomes bigger in the years before 1991 because there are games wich come with a bilingual instruction booklet (german/spanish) and a english box (mainly are games from Sunsoft, Taito, Capcom and Konami) and there are others wich come with the "original seal of quality" transtaled into spanish as you can see here:

http://www.retrones.com/Caratulas/To%20the%20earth%20f.jpg

this translation into spanish of the seal can be also found in other "small boxes" or in the zapper box (and i guess in other accesories boxes).

The other reason why i said it was special its because the "mentality" of the spanish people wich seems it's quite different from people from other countries. It seems that the 90% of spanish people think that the things they don't need anymore are worthless so they throw them to the rubbish. And this unfortunately happens too with nes games :( Sometime ago the other guy i mentioned before told me that a friend of his brother threw about 20 CIB nes games to the rubbish >:( And thats the reason why there are few games for sale at ebay.es in comparison to other ebays.
One could say that this low offer is the reason why nes games listed on ebay.es are so expensive but i don't think so because there are many sellers who are reselling games they bought at flea markets, at second hand stores or even at other ebays at a "gold price", and some even overbid themselves (anacurdo is one of those)
This things makes difficult for any spanish collectors to find games at a good price and in good shape.

Well, that's why i said the spanish market is special. I'm not sure if i've explained it as i should but there are so many things to talk about it that i guess i'd never stop talking about it ;D

About defenders of dinatron city i can say it was reviewed in Hobby consolas (one of the most important videogames magazine at that time) and they always stated (hobby consolas) that they only reviewed games wich were officially sold in Spain and that's why spanish people say it was released in Spain. I don't know what to think about it, but i've never seen it for sale anywhere in spain so perhaps it wasn't released... but this doesn't mean anything because at that time i was only 12.

That's a lot of pretty informative information! I can understand exactly what you mean too - it's the same with trying to find Spansih and Portugese variant games for a few systems!

perhaps that's all because the spanish and portuguese markets at that time weren't big enough and companies din't want to risk their money

piteta wrote on 13. Aug 2006 at 17:15:

The other reason why i said it was special its because the "mentality" of the spanish people wich seems it's quite different from people from other countries. It seems that the 90% of spanish people think that the things they don't need anymore are worthless so they throw them to the rubbish. And this unfortunately happens too with nes games :( Sometime ago the other guy i mentioned before told me that a friend of his brother threw about 20 CIB nes games to the rubbish >:( And thats the reason why there are few games for sale at ebay.es in comparison to other ebays.

Its like this here also. Im not sure if people throw them out tho, but its actually hard to find SCN coded games over here. The biggest auction site here in Norway have currently 2 (what i can see) SCN games listed out of 47 games :o The rest is imports from France, England, USA and Germany. It seems that people dont think its worth anything today so they dont try to sell it or they have thrown them away.

i thought that spanish people were the only ones who did that but i see i was wrong and perhaps in spain the situation is not as bad as i thought because here most of the games are nes-??-esp

I dont know about rarity on this, But i picked this up awhile ago and have never seen it ever.


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c189/Gundam_Pilot_/misc/challenge%20set%20and%20bible%20adventure/IMG_0309.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c189/Gundam_Pilot_/misc/challenge%20set%20and%20bible%20adventure/IMG_0312.jpg



It comes with all that shit inside the box. Now i know the sticker from walmart is interesting, but the box itself is what i find different. I have yet to find a challenge set that pictures mario flying by himself instead of a picture of the mario 3 box.

Gundam_Pilot_ wrote on 16. Aug 2006 at 07:17:

I dont know about rarity on this, But i picked this up awhile ago and have never seen it ever. It comes with all that shit inside the box. Now i know the sticker from walmart is interesting, but the box itself is what i find different. I have yet to find a challenge set that pictures mario flying by himself instead of a picture of the mario 3 box.

That's pretty cool man :)  Does that Super Mario 3 guide have a white address field on the back?  Just curious (cuz there's two variants).  

Also notice that the sticker have "bros" on the left side like the first version, but the manual included got it on the right like the 2nd version :) Or did the manual look the same on both versions?

jajaja wrote on 16. Aug 2006 at 15:00:

Or did the manual look the same on both versions?

The manual differed for both versions, so you are right.  :)  Although, the first version has Bros all the way on the left, and on the sticker Bros. is more in the middle ;)

talking about hard to find boxes... what about color a dinosaur???

Nistle wrote on 13. Sep 2006 at 03:58:

talking about hard to find boxes... what about color a dinosaur???

yep its not easy there are a lot of hard to find nes boxes a collector has no idea until they try and track them down.

and so i've noticed in trying to locate this one, dk math, and recently needing a box for tmnt tournament fighters.  let me know if anyone can hook me up

I've ran acrossed more Complete Color a Dinosaurs than I know what to do with including a sealed copy just recently (makes #6). I seriously have no idea why I have such good luck finding them.

what did the sealed copy go for?

how many copies do you own. I would love to get a CIB copy

I have now owned a total of 6. The only one I currently own is the sealed copy. I've sold off the rest on ebay and to forum members. The sealed copy cost me $100 :)

jajaja wrote on 13. Aug 2006 at 15:48:

Its well known that alot of spanish Rodland copies where sold in Holland. They did not make a own version with HOL code and dutch manual.

Are you absolutly sure? I have a vague memory of a seeing a HOL-cart, either here or on eBay earlier this year. Is my mind playing tricks on me?

that_marcus wrote on 28. Sep 2006 at 19:08:

jajaja wrote on 13. Aug 2006 at 15:48: Its well known that alot of spanish Rodland copies where sold in Holland. They did not make a own version with HOL code and dutch manual. Are you absolutly sure? I have a vague memory of a seeing a HOL-cart, either here or on eBay earlier this year. Is my mind playing tricks on me?

Not 100%, but all the dutch guys i've heard of and know that own Rodland got the ESP cart.

Hounder wrote on 13. Sep 2006 at 15:52:

I have now owned a total of 6. The only one I currently own is the sealed copy. I've sold off the rest on ebay and to forum members. The sealed copy cost me $100 :)

Where the heck did you find a sealed copy?! :o

that means there are now at least 2 sealed copies out there  ;)

D_N_G wrote on 29. Sep 2006 at 04:01:

that means there are now at least 2 sealed copies out there  ;)

Make that 5 ;) I found TWO sealed copies :) And I know of others that have them as well.

jajaja wrote on 28. Sep 2006 at 19:44:

that_marcus wrote on 28. Sep 2006 at 19:08: jajaja wrote on 13. Aug 2006 at 15:48: Its well known that alot of spanish Rodland copies where sold in Holland. They did not make a own version with HOL code and dutch manual. Are you absolutly sure? I have a vague memory of a seeing a HOL-cart, either here or on eBay earlier this year. Is my mind playing tricks on me? Not 100%, but all the dutch guys i've heard of and know that own Rodland got the ESP cart.

Yup, I've never seen a HOL Rodland, but I'm also not sure if ESP Rodland copies were actually sold in the Netherlands.  Spain is a very popular spot for Dutch ppl to go to on vacation, tons of them go there, so it is very likely that some simply picked up the copies of Rodland while on vacation there.

I also own a copy of rodland, and it says ESP aswell... I think Rodland is not the only cart sold in Holland with ESP on it..

Gavie wrote on 29. Sep 2006 at 13:50:

I also own a copy of rodland, and it says ESP aswell... I think Rodland is not the only cart sold in Holland with ESP on it..

Did you buy it new in the Netherlands or 2nd hand?  As far as I know there has been no proof to show that Rodland was actually sold in stores in the Netherlands.  So far the copies that Dutch collectors own are from 2nd hand places, and it makes sense that it's ESP since that's the only PAL-B version known to exist and Spain is a common vacation spot for a large percentage of Dutch people.  

I'm no expert on PAL stuff but from my knowledge, Rodland was only released in Spain (PAL-B), and very minimal quatities in Italy and the UK(?). The UK I'm not sure on still but I know at least Spain and Italy had Rodland released. I've never heard elsewhere but then again I could be wrong like I was when I said that those dang black carts didn't exist....

Its also possible that it was unofficialy imported. The same senario was in Sweden. You could buy games like Top Gun 2, Tale Spin, Asterix and George Foreman KO Boxing in grocery stores  (possibly other places too). These games had ESP code (FRA on Asterix) and a paper with swedish text as manual.

Speedy_NES wrote on 29. Sep 2006 at 14:40:

Did you buy it new in the Netherlands or 2nd hand?  As far as I know there has been no proof to show that Rodland was actually sold in stores in the Netherlands.  So far the copies that Dutch collectors own are from 2nd hand places, and it makes sense that it's ESP since that's the only PAL-B version known to exist and Spain is a common vacation spot for a large percentage of Dutch people.

I bought it second hand, but the ESP doesn't mean a lot here, Most games I have bought (also new games) say FRA or ESP, and some NOE..
I guess a lot of import was going on in the Netherlands :P
But Rodland isn't that rare over here I think, I know a lot of people in holland who own a Rodland cart, and they were definately sold here (import probably).

Same goes for pirate gear.. if you want to own a lot of pirate stuff you should come to holland :P Haven't found a single fleemarket where they don't sell fake nes's for a couple of euros