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Do we honestly need limited editions of homebrew?
13. May 2008 at 00:20
 
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Didn't see a topic about this yet so here are a few quick corrections for the front page article:

Correct spelling for Sudoku author is Al Bailey, just want to make sure he gets the right credit!

And the Garage Cart was not made in the early years of repros, Leon has been building them since ~1998.  The original part was the homebrew games not the cart construction itself.  If more people expressed interest I am sure more would have been made but it just wasn't in demand then.

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Re: Do we honestly need limited editions of homebr
Reply #1 - 13. May 2008 at 09:43
 
I'm really on the fence on this one. On the one side, I see your point and agree with it; on the other, I do like the LE Glider, which uses something no other NES game has had. As for Bunnyboy making profit on the ebay Gliders, well, this's what he does for a living and he's got to eat too. I'm starting to take note that the only people who seem to get upset over the whole notion of turning a profit are the "old schoolers". I'm not sure where in the cycle of NES collecting the idea of making a profit for hard work being a bad thing occurred, but I personally disagree with it.

Just my .02 -- not trying to step on toes either.

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Reply #2 - 13. May 2008 at 14:10
 
I love all things homebrew!  It is my new favorite niche of collecting I think.
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Reply #3 - 13. May 2008 at 16:37
 
It's cool and keeps the scene alive, although i am more interested in proto's and such so it's not really something for me. I like the idea though.
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Re: Do we honestly need limited editions of homebr
Reply #4 - 14. May 2008 at 11:09
 
I love homebrew!

But ....

golden airball
Huh for big cash$$  i mean its nothing more then old zelda carts with airball stickers on them.
I mean come on people, for people how helped out ok,but for $$$ on ebay thats just stupid

tower of radia
With number and with out Huh
I understand that langenfeld didn't want to dissapoint people and made some without number but WTF..
Now the carts without number are more rare

ON THE OTHER SIDE

Sivak did it better ,made geminim with number on cart and rom!
And then did a general release.
Thats way better, i think that the unnumbered cart even had a different color?


But the best way to do it is sudoku from al

a couple of gold (for people how helped)

100 grey copies with number

and a general release on retrousb. (blue)

i heard that there are a little changes between general release and the numbered copies.
The great box in combination with the colors of the cart makes this ok in my point of view!

But its just how you look at it i think.




           HOMEBREW

It keeps the nintendo nes and its scene alive and i think it will become a new part of collecting for the nes in the future!

GOLDEN HOMEBREW RULE!!!

I doesn't mather what you think about homebrew and the special carts but i would like to ask people how bring out special(homebrew) carts in the fututre
To obey the golden hombrew rule

PLEASE PUT 1 SPECIAL CART ON EBAY FOR CHARITY!

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Reply #5 - 14. May 2008 at 14:57
 
There is another aspect of this I don't think you guys are really thinking of.  It costs a LOT of money to make a new CIB game.  I am working on one myself right now and I will have well over $4000 in the production costs.  Selling 1-2 of the special edition ones helps recoup some of the cost, and gives people who don't want to help out on the project a chance to get one.  IMO most of the people who are complaining about these are people who would never put up all the money to produce the new games to start with.  It is a huge risk and investment to make stuff like this happen but that fact tends to get over looked.  It hasn't been easy for me to come up with 4k to produce a new game for the community....and I will probably be lucky if I break even on it after all is said and done.
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Reply #6 - 14. May 2008 at 17:48
 
you know i'm a fan of homebrews all the way.  i think it is a great thing for the community, but as far as the rant goes I am still with Martin on this. 

i understand the costs and all that jazz, and yes I say recoup your money, but lets do so in a different way.

if people can make something that is TRULY unique to the limited run then I'd say DO THAT.  If you can't, then don't make it limited in any way.

I'd say this should be figured out before the next big rush of "limited" titles pop up, but if not, whatever, i'm not going to loose sleep over it.
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Reply #7 - 14. May 2008 at 21:17
 
qixmaster wrote on 14. May 2008 at 17:48:
if people can make something that is TRULY unique to the limited run then I'd say DO THAT.  If you can't, then don't make it limited in any way.


Do you have any suggestions for the type of things that would be truly unique?  Many people think a number or cart color change isn't enough, and for my own releases I completely agree its not enough.  But what about adding a custom box, special insert, or other physical item?  None of that is truly unique, if one can be made then many can be made.  It's just a trade off between the time and cost.
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Reply #8 - 15. May 2008 at 16:02
 
Maybe it's just my growing up in the United States and being an ardent capitalist, but I don't see any legitimate complaint about limited edition carts.  I'm not really interested in them, so I don't buy them.  However, if someone else wants to spend $250 for someone's homebrew cart, what does my opinion on the transaction matter?

Now, if the limited editions are being sold for ridiculous prices under the promise that there will not be a general release, then there is a bit more of a problem because suddenly the product is no longer as described at the time of sale.

No, we don't "need" limited edition homebrew carts, but keep in mind we're talking about video game collecting here.  Most of the hobby is pretty frivolous.

(NOTE:  Please don't flame me for saying NES collection is frivolous.  I am pretty heavily invested in it myself, and have been collecting for about 11 years.)
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Reply #9 - 15. May 2008 at 21:58
 
limewater wrote on 15. May 2008 at 16:02:
Now, if the limited editions are being sold for ridiculous prices under the promise that there will not be a general release, then there is a bit more of a problem because suddenly the product is no longer as described at the time of sale.

The Radia repros weren't sold at ridiculous prices, but it was assumed that there would be only 50.  I think Martin's rant really triggered when suddenly there were 51 numbered and more unnumbered being made.  That would be like me now making a few more special edition Gliders, just a bad idea.

I have more new games coming so I am still looking for ideas on how to make the special versions special! (besides packing the cart full of dollar bills)
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Reply #10 - 19. May 2008 at 01:15
 
I think that limited edition homebrews are a great idea.  Those who don't like them, don't have to buy them.  However, when it comes to collecting for the NES, such carts will be highly desirable due to their rarity.  Limited edition homebrews help developers fund new works, which help keep NES collecting alive.
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Reply #11 - 19. May 2008 at 15:21
 
I think my rant went off the track somewhere... I'm not talking about the very special super duper limited for dev and helpers only carts.

I'm talking about limited editions like Sivak's games which aren't sold with huge profit. I don't understand why we have to bother with a limited release of a game that will end up with an unlimited release al though being colored differently..

And yes then there's of course the Radia story which shows just how stupid limited runs actually are.
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Reply #12 - 19. May 2008 at 19:23
 
Jagasian wrote on 19. May 2008 at 01:15:
I think that limited edition homebrews are a great idea.  Those who don't like them, don't have to buy them.  However, when it comes to collecting for the NES, such carts will be highly desirable due to their rarity.  Limited edition homebrews help developers fund new works, which help keep NES collecting alive.


Their rarity !?

come on ,i still dont understand why people would pay insane amounts of cash for homebrews put in old zelda carts Huh

and there rarity is artificial and not real in my point of view!

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Reply #13 - 20. May 2008 at 16:26
 
From my understanding, I thought "limited" and "special" editions were usually released AFTER an initial release, to help sell more copies of an item that was no longer selling.  For example, when the Star Wars Trilogy lost its selling power, Lucas came out with a special edition.  When Link to the Past stopped selling well, Nintendo came out with a Million-Seller edition.

BTW, I don't consider the original "gold" releases of Zelda to be special editions as compared to the grey ones.  I think Nintendo would have kept selling gold carts forever if they could have turned a profit on it.  Grey was just a cost-cutting decision, probably.

That said, if someone wants to make a special edition of a limited-release game, by all means go ahead.  But since the original game was (comparitively) limited release anyway, I don't really see the point in buying a special edition of it.

I appreciate what homebrewers are doing.  But if you think that by buying a "special edition" of a limited-release homebrew cartridge is an investment in your future, I have some bad news...

In 20 years they won't be any more collectible than they are today.  Buy it for the replay value and nostalgia.
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Re: Do we honestly need limited editions of homebr
Reply #14 - 21. May 2008 at 20:13
 
I'm not sure how I'd do it, if I do another game.
The 3 types covered are:
1) Promotional items (ie: Sudoku Gold)
2) Limited Items (ie: Sudoku grey)
3) General Release (ie: Sudoku Blue)

I have my own outlook on this, and I certainly dont want to impose them on anyone else, or judge anyone who thinks differently than me. 

1) Promotional items should not be sold, otherwise its a money grab.
2) Limited items should be readily available. Otherwise you are creating an artificial rarity.
3) General Release items should have an end date.  Cheetahmen, the aladdins, Sunday Funday were all easy to obtain at one time, and it wasnt until after they stopped that people realized that they wanted one.

One last note: Anytime there is an auction for a new rare item, feelings seem to get hurt within the collecting community.   I dont get excited by logging onto ebay and seeing a game I dont have, I get exciting going to a flea market, yard sale, or convention and seeing it.

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